Listverse posted a list of Lotr facts recently. What are your thoughts on what they wrote? Some things written doesn't add up with my own view of Lotr.
Alright, so the article is “10 Strange ‘Lord of the Rings’ Facts That The Films Left Out" by Chris Jenkins. I’d recommend reading the whole article (it’s not very long, only took me 5 minutes). First of all (and I know it sounds nit-picky), but my biggest problem with the article is the title - not only are several of the points on the list not facts, but several of them are based on information that wasn’t “left out of the movies” because it doesn’t even appear in the books. But, whatever.
As for the actual “facts” themselves, most of them are pretty good (perhaps, due to the nature of the article, a little over-simplified, such as #8 “Sauron’s Other Rings Grant Wishes-With A Catch” and #3 “Middle-Earth Was Flat.”) A few are basically correct, but kind of oversell their point a bit, such as #10 “Sauron’s Ring Wouldn’t Make Him Invisible” (it wouldn’t necessarily make him invisible, but we don’t know that it couldn’t, see this post), or #9 “Lose The Ring And You Still Won’t Age” (see this post for that topic.)
Others contain pretty blatant errors, as far as I can tell. For example, #5 “Gimli And Legolas: Bros To The End” states that Gimli, because he’s in the Undying Lands, achieves “functional immortality”, which is absolutely not true. Mortals in Valinor still die (see this post for more information.) #6 “Orcs Make No Sense” is simply missing information (this post discusses female orcs, and this post covers the various possible origins Tolkien created for orcs.)
And of course there were some great ones. #7 “Gandalf And The Ring vs. Sauron” and #1 “Tolkien Is Why You Had To Study Beowulf” don’t have any problems that I could see. And I was thrilled with #4 “Not Allegorical” (the more people are told that these stories aren’t allegorical, the better, lol.) #2 “White Nationalists Love Lord Of The Rings” is unfortunately pretty accurate as far as I can tell (though I think an odd addition to the article), and part of why things like my Racism Series (which I’m still working on, I promise) are important to the fandom.
SOURCES: “10 Strange ‘Lord of the Rings’ Facts That The Films Left Out" by Chris Jenkins
If you see this post, it’s because I didn’t get nearly enough sleep this weekend, and so must have passed out last night before I managed to prepare a post for today. Sorry about that. I’ll hopefully have something tonight, but if not I’ll be extra productive for tomorrow!
Tolkien gave us a lot of information in the last couple of weeks, so I figured it was time for another batch of infographics (if you missed the last group, which focused on the Noldorin royal family, you can find them here.)
Let me know if there’s anything I didn’t cover that you still find pretty confusing - I’m here to help! :)
More infographics for the Silmarillion Read-Along.
Okay, I know that several of you re-readers mentioned that the influx of names in this week’s chapters have stumped you in the past, so in the interest of helping with that I’ve made the above infographics (I even wrote a limerick - suck it, poetry!)
I couldn’t think of anything for Finarfin’s kids, but I’ll keep working on it - and let me know if there’s another group of names you find especially confusing, and I’ll see if I can come up with anything.
((EDIT: Forgot to mention that this is all based solely on the information included in The Silmarillion, since it’s meant to help first-time readers of that book. So if you’ve read Tolkien’s other works and notice some details that are kind of… off (*cough*Orodreth*cough*), that’s why.))
It suddenly occurred to me that, even though I made these for the Silmarillion Read-Along, they’re technically educational enough for this blog (certainly more education than Azog Jesus, at least.) Part 2 will be up in a few hours.
HOW SOME WOMEN HAVE CRUSH ON AZOG JESUS ? Is there more weirder crushes of LOTR among you ladies ? I'm SO curious
I’m sorry but all I could see was AZOG JESUS.
Hey old is Thorin in human years?
He’s 195. In human and dwarf years.
But in dog years he’s 1,365.
I don't know if you read lotr fics but if you do, to you what makes a good tenth walker story?
For those who don’t know what this means, “Tenth Walker” stories in LotR fanfiction are basically stories that add a tenth member to the fellowship (usually an OC/original character.) Now, this is totally dependent on personal preference, of course, but personally these are the qualities I’d hope to see:
- For me, the main fun of a tenth walker is considering how a new/different person would affect the events of the story. Now, sticking to the same basic plot is fine, but I’d probably be a bit disappointed if we’ve reached Lorien without any plot divergence.
- I like OCs (original characters), but I’d hope to see their place in the fellowship pretty well developed (why were they in Rivendell? why were they chosen for the fellowship? what’s their motivation in all this? etc.)
- Very related to the last point - I’ve no problem with the tenth walker having a romantic plot with another member of the fellowship, but I definitely hope that’s not their defining characteristic.
Tenth walker fics can be a lot of fun, but, for any writers out there, may I present an alternate trope? Instead of adding a tenth member, substitute one of the original nine. An “alternate ninth walker”, if you will. My personal favorite are stories where Faramir travels to Rivendell instead of Boromir. Or you could still use OCs - maybe a lady dwarf goes to Rivendell instead of Gimli, or maybe Elrond sends an elf from Rivendell instead of Pippin (like he wanted to.)
I think the alternate ninth walker idea makes it easier to shake up the plot, since you have to deal not only with a new member of the fellowship, but also with the absence of one of the original members. Just something to consider. :)
Where to Find Tolkien’s Thoughts on Religion
I think probably your best resource would be The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien - the collection of letters cover a wide variety of topics, but some that might be useful to your research include:
- #49: A letter to C.S. Lewis criticizing his views on Christianity and divorce.
- #142: A letter to Fr. Robert Murray, which includes a paragraph about the Christian influence on LotR.
- #153: A letter to Peter Hastings, who had a few theological complaints about LotR, which Tolkien addresses here (including reincarnation and the ability of Evil to create - as well as a note on institutionalized religion in Middle Earth, which I actually talk about in this post)
- #195: A letter to Amy Ronald, which is very very short, but contains this sentence: “Actually I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect ‘history’ to be anything but a ‘long defeat’ – though it contains (and in a legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples or glimpses of final victory.”
- #250: A long letter to Michael Tolkien, his oldest sone and a priest. Michael had written regarding his “sagging faith”, and most of the letter is taken up by Tolkien’s response to that. Basically a gold mine if you’re looking for Tolkien’s own words on his personal faith.
- #306: Another letter to Michael Tolkien. It discusses, among other things, Tolkien’s thoughts on “trends” in the Church (probably a reference to Vatican II)
- Honestly, there are probably many more, but these were the main ones that jumped out at me.
Also, there are probably a few essays of his that discussion religion. The only one that’s coming to mind right now is “On Fairy-Stories”, which mainly discusses Tolkien’s philosophy on the fantasy genre, but includes some really interesting theological tidbits (my personal favorite: “Fantasy remains a human right: we make in our measure and in our derivative mode, because we are made: and not only made, but made in the image and likeness of a Maker.”)
Does anybody know of another source about Tolkien and his faith? If so, please reblog with your suggestion!
SOURCES: The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, “On Fairy-Stories”
Hi :) I study fashion at college and I’m a huge tolkien fan & a while back I had an idea… I want to start a project. I want to see what’s in the wardrobes of other tolkienists. Clothes and the type of style tell so much about a person and I’d love to see how different we all express ourselves to the world while we are all connected on the inside! So, if you are up for it take a picture of your wardrobe, your favorite clothes, or favorite fandom thingies :) thank you even if you dont do it :)
Eh, I don’t have a super cute wardrobe right now, but I do have this awesome Gandalf t-shirt (which, like all t-shirts, if not actually being worn make ideal cat-territory)
Good luck with your project! It sounds really cool!
What makes you say the Avari looked like the Noldor/Teleri elves? I haven't heard that theory before :) Love the blog!
I kind of talk about that in this post, but it’s not really a theory - the Avari are made up of Noldorin and Telerin elves (or, rather, pre-Noldorin and Telerin elves), and therefore their appearance would be a mixture of the two.
In The Silmarillion Tolkien says:
Then befell the first sundering of the Elves. For the kindred of Ingwe, and the most part of the kindreds of Finwe and Elwe, were swayed by the words of their lords, and were willing to depart and follow Orome; and these were known ever after as the Eldar, by the name that Orome gave to the Elves in the beginning, in their own tongue. But many refused the summons, preferring the starlight and the wide spaces of Middle-earth to the rumor of the Trees; and these are the Avari, the Unwilling, and they were sundered in that time from the Eldar, and met never again until many ages were past.
So we know that all of the Vanyar (the kindred of Ingwe) went to Valinor, so the Avari would have been a mixture of Finwe and Elwe’s kindreds (the Noldor and Teleri.) This is emphasized even more in “Quendi and Eldar”, where Tolkien actually breaks down the groups by number (If you’re confused about the Minyar/Tatyar/Nelyar bit, take a look at this post):
Anyway, so you can see that the Avari are made up of a combination of Noldorin and Telerin elves, meaning that their appearance would also be a combination (which is easy since both groups were predominantly dark-haired anyway.)
There is, by the way, one older draft that suggested that the Avari were actually made up of two separate groups (as in, there were the kindreds of Ingwe, Finwe, Elwe, and Morwe and Nurwe.) But this idea was abandoned pretty early on (and we have no idea what the people of Morwe and Nurwe were supposed to look like.)
SOURCES: The Silmarillion, The Histories of Middle Earth vol. 10 (“The Annals of Aman”), vol. 11 (“Quendi and Eldar”)